Confirmed: Tweetie 2 (twitter For Mac
I like it a lot. Works like the iPad app. All I read here is.' WHO MOVED MY CHEESE!!!!'
This is probably a good portion of the reason why people don't like it. Mouse movements do not translate well from touch screen movements. Personally I think it's ugly and unwieldy, but at least with the hacks it's closer to being reasonable. I don't understand all the hate. I had no issues using the Twitter/Tweetie 2 on my Mac. I played around with it for an hour last night.
People actually complain about the color of the minimize button? I saw it, used it, and moved on with my day. We do because there is evidence (, ) to show that consistency in behaviour and look improves usability. This is nothing new, this is older than Babbage. Seems pretty consistent with the iOS UI however. Which seems to be the way OS X is going so.
I don't have any problem with it-I think it behaves more predictably for common tasks like walking down 'conversation' trees of tweets & replies, and looking at other users. Edited to add - actually, I do have a problem with it. There's a difference between 'bonus' features (like, make your tweets purple! Or something fun but superficial), and features that enhance app usability. Allowing features in the first category to be used only by certain users can be a fun reward; squirreling away features in the latter category is a douche-cock thing to do to your user-base. I'm surprised at all the hate here.
Confirmed Tweetie 2 (twitter For Mac Download
My first thought when I tried the app was 'amazing!' And it still holds true as of now. The 3 friends I discussed it with all had the same reaction to it too. Goes to show it's all a matter of opinion. I'm also surprised at the fact that many here didn't think to drag the window by the right sidebar. Despite it being non standard, it was quite obvious to me and its the first thing I actually tried after the app launched.
I guess I'm just weird Loren has already tweeted that a preference for font size would be added quickly. My guess is that we will see an update soon.
Meanwhile, my opinion of this guy has not changed with this release: I consider him one of the best UI/UX designer out there. The iPad version is just brilliant too. I'm surprised at all the hate here. My first thought when I tried the app was 'amazing!'
And it still holds true as of now. The 3 friends I discussed it with all had the same reaction to it too.
Goes to show it's all a matter of opinion. I'm also surprised at the fact that many here didn't think to drag the window by the right sidebar. Despite it being non standard, it was quite obvious to me and its the first thing I actually tried after the app launched. I guess I'm just weird Loren has already tweeted that a preference for font size would be added quickly. My guess is that we will see an update soon.
Meanwhile, my opinion of this guy has not changed with this release: I consider him one of the best UI/UX designer out there. The iPad version is just brilliant too. Much can be learned, like dragging the window. But analyzing the situation from a non-emotional perspective still leaves the new Twitter client at D- grade. Let us begin: Situation: Dragging windows: Black bar to the left. No precedence.
No affordance. Result: Not OK. Situation: Close buttons. 64% or normal size (see Fitt). Much less visibility.
Nonstandard drag action. Hides application when used. Result: No evidence that this is better, all evidence (see Fitt). The nonstandard behaviour is worse than the aesthetics. Situation: VoiceOver is not working, not working at all because the custom UI kit.
Result: Total failure. Situation: Stacking layers are aesthetically pleasing but does not convey action or behaviour or status. Result: Not OK.
Animation should be used to enhance usability, not merely to confuse. Situation: Notification: Use of drop down for options where checkboxes means doing: Cognitive recall followed by click, followed by movement followed by click, followed by movement, followed by click to change one setting. This is 30% more actions than if regular checkboxes were used.
Also, checkboxes should be used for multiple choice lists, not drop downs. Result: Failure. Situation: Each time I launch the app it tells me I have 96 new tweets in one account and 94 new in the other.
These are incorrect numbers. Result: Not OK. Situation: The compose window does not respect Mac OS X window order. Not even when editing the relevant preference.
Result: Not OK. Situation: There is no indicator given to show which account has a new tweet when one arrives, forcing me to manually look at all feeds for the right one. The dock icon gets a badge but nothing in the application itself. Result: Not OK. Why not indicate over the icon in the black bar? Situation: There is no way to invoke the cancel button for new tweets.
There is no to me known evidence that this is better than the normal and standard way to map the escape key to the cancel button. Result: Not OK. Situation: The main Twitter window can not be moved like other windows in my operating system, it stops at the edges.
Sometimes I want to move the window quickly out of the way to read what is underneath. Now I am prevented due to the custom UI kit. Result: Not OK. Situation: The main window reopens if I close it, cmd-tab away and then cmd-tab back. Also, why does the application insist at hiding itself at the back of the list when it should put itself as the second application? This makes cmd-tab much less usable because the simple rule that governed its behaviour has been replaced by a complex rule that also changes due to context. Result: There is much known evidence that simple rules in interfaces and systems make for better usability.
Twitter application fails this situation. Situation: Application crashes when entering Kanji in the search field.
Result: Failure. Situation: Starting a scroll with the track pad when hovering over certain tweets cause the scroll indicator to jump all over the place. Result: Not OK. Situation: Does not cope with the missing tweets issue. Result: Not OK.
Situation: I and most other in this thread consider it aesthetically pleasing. Result: Pass. Situation: There is no indicator given to show which account has a new tweet when one arrives, forcing me to manually look at all feeds for the right one. The dock icon gets a badge but nothing in the application itself.
Result: Not OK. Why not indicate over the icon in the black bar?
The account badge gets a series of three blue blips next to it. Top one is friends tweets, middle is mentioned and bottom is DM's. The original Tweeties blips were much much more obvious and I'm not keen on the new faint look. Or if that doesn't get you click on the systray icon for a direct indication of what just landed where - this is a fantastic addition to Tweetie1 which did not have it.
Situation: There is no indicator given to show which account has a new tweet when one arrives, forcing me to manually look at all feeds for the right one. The dock icon gets a badge but nothing in the application itself. Result: Not OK. Why not indicate over the icon in the black bar?
The account badge gets a series of three blue blips next to it. Top one is friends tweets, middle is mentioned and bottom is DM's. The original Tweeties blips were much much more obvious and I'm not keen on the new faint look. Or if that doesn't get you click on the systray icon for a direct indication of what just landed where - this is a fantastic addition to Tweetie1 which did not have it. I get that small blue icon for mentions and messages, but not for normal tweets from those I follow.
Can't find any setting for this either. Is there one?
Situation: Dragging windows: Black bar to the left. No precedence. No affordance. Differently coloured area where there is no content is pretty much the universal sign for a draggable area, especially on OS X where you're not constrained to the window title bar for dragging anyway.
Situation: There is no indicator given to show which account has a new tweet when one arrives, forcing me to manually look at all feeds for the right one. The dock icon gets a badge but nothing in the application itself.
Result: Not OK. Why not indicate over the icon in the black bar?
The account badge gets a series of three blue blips next to it. Top one is friends tweets, middle is mentioned and bottom is DM's. The original Tweeties blips were much much more obvious and I'm not keen on the new faint look. Or if that doesn't get you click on the systray icon for a direct indication of what just landed where - this is a fantastic addition to Tweetie1 which did not have it. See here, Tweetie has registered a new tweet, I have just launched Twitter and twitter ought to recognize that tweet as new, it is in fact visible inside the application, but despite Twitter telling Growl that there are loads of new tweets no notification in the icon bar has been lit. Situation: Dragging windows: Black bar to the left.
No precedence. No affordance. Differently coloured area where there is no content is pretty much the universal sign for a draggable area, especially on OS X where you're not constrained to the window title bar for dragging anyway. My comparison is correct in regards these applications.
Where is this 'universal sign' you are talking about that Twitter has in common to the above applications? I don't know but what I do know is that it seemed immediately obvious to me that the area was draggable. I really don't think it's a big deal.
I mean chances are you'll find out it can be dragged accidentally anyway. As to the other stuff people are saying, the tweet window can be cancelled via the keyboard, you can start tweeting without hitting a shortcut key. The window order seems to work for me, or at least, I haven't had a problem with that (or maybe I just don't understand what the problem is supposed to be). Given, some of these things require hidden prefs but those are publicly documented by now. I think making those prefs hidden if you didn't buy the MacHeist bundle is wrong and stupid (and I did buy the bundle) but still, the prefs are there. Overall, it seems to me (and again, that's just my opinion, to each his/her own) most of the stuff in this thread is either wrong or really minor. There.is.
bugs in the app, no doubt about that and let's face it, it's basically a version 1 of a new app given the brand new UI and many of these things will evolve and be improved. I can kind of understand the complaints about the fact that the app doesn't fit with a 'normal' HIG-standard app but that's also true of most of the apps released by Apple these days and it's also true of many great apps on the Mac. I for one am glad to see the standards evolve. Situation: Dragging windows: Black bar to the left. No precedence.
No affordance. Differently coloured area where there is no content is pretty much the universal sign for a draggable area, especially on OS X where you're not constrained to the window title bar for dragging anyway. My comparison is correct in regards these applications.
Where is this 'universal sign' you are talking about that Twitter has in common to the above applications? I don't know but what I do know is that it seemed immediately obvious to me that the area was draggable. I really don't think it's a big deal. I mean chances are you'll find out it can be dragged accidentally anyway.
As to the other stuff people are saying, the tweet window can be cancelled via the keyboard, you can start tweeting without hitting a shortcut key. The window order seems to work for me, or at least, I haven't had a problem with that (or maybe I just don't understand what the problem is supposed to be). Given, some of these things require hidden prefs but those are publicly documented by now.
I think making those prefs hidden if you didn't buy the MacHeist bundle is wrong and stupid (and I did buy the bundle) but still, the prefs are there. Overall, it seems to me (and again, that's just my opinion, to each his/her own) most of the stuff in this thread is either wrong or really minor. There.is. bugs in the app, no doubt about that and let's face it, it's basically a version 1 of a new app given the brand new UI and many of these things will evolve and be improved.
I can kind of understand the complaints about the fact that the app doesn't fit with a 'normal' HIG-standard app but that's also true of most of the apps released by Apple these days and it's also true of many great apps on the Mac. I for one am glad to see the standards evolve. 'It seems obvious to me' is a common mistake among developers, users and even designers sometimes. I understand that you make that, and I sometimes (despite years of training to avoid it) do that as well, which is when I have to step back and start to analyze things from a more objective perspective. I just noticed that command-W closes the new tweet window, I can accept that as a replacement for the lack of working Esc key mapping, but why is that command not available in the File or Edit or Window menu?
You claim that most of the stuff is wrong? Can you give a few examples where this stuff is wrong? See the video here where I try to get the Esc key and window order to work: (Silverback is not recording the Esc key, but I promise I am pressing it, the preferences window does respond to the Esc key though).
As I have said before, I an no fan of the HIG myself (see the other thread in this forum), but I consider most these issues separate from the deviations from the HIG. According to your video, you might well be having bugs on top of what the app normally does.
Mine (and from the look of it, many people's) does allow me to cancel the tweet with ESC and the window order seems respected. As I said, I totally agree that there are bugs in there, but overall, at least for me and the friend sitting 2 feet away from me right now with his laptop, we can't really reproduce this and for us, the app works pretty well. But then again, all of this, except for the bugs, is purely based on opinion and my opinion is no less valid than yours. In any case, it seeems clear from the author's tweets that we'll get updates fairly soon, so hopefully he will address what's not working and those not liking the UI do have a ton of great alternatives (including Tweeterific 4 'coming very soon' to the App Store according to the devs). According to your video, you might well be having bugs on top of what the app normally does. Mine (and from the look of it, many people's) does allow me to cancel the tweet with ESC and the window order seems respected.
As I said, I totally agree that there are bugs in there, but overall, at least for me and the friend sitting 2 feet away from me right now with his laptop, we can't really reproduce this and for us, the app works pretty well. But then again, all of this, except for the bugs, is purely based on opinion and my opinion is no less valid than yours. In any case, it seeems clear from the author's tweets that we'll get updates fairly soon, so hopefully he will address what's not working and those not liking the UI do have a ton of great alternatives (including Tweeterific 4 'coming very soon' to the App Store according to the devs). Edit: some fell off from here. I had written that thrashing the preferences file at least solved the mass tweets via Growl.
Of course our opinions have the same weight. However, the user interface bugs are bugs just as machine code bugs are bugs and the user interface bugs are not based on opinion, the aesthetics of the application are, and I like the aesthetics.
Yet another blue icon New 2.0.2 Icon. The wrong viewpoint really sticks out in the Dock. They must have some kind of agenda to shit all over HIG before reaching 2.1. The odd thing is I get this perspective icon with a badge when I have a new tweet, yet once I've looked at new tweets, the dock icon goes back to the old flat light blue one. Think there's a bug there somewhere.
Plus Twitter isn't respecting my Spaces settings. Twitter is set to stick to Space 3, but is showing up in every space.
Bad Twitter, no biscuit!